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    Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  vanhoute le Lun 26 Oct 2009 - 10:45

    Rappel du premier message :

    Avec le dernier article parut dans hélicoptère magazine, le Bell 429 nous est proposé comme "la" machine ultime en SMUH.
    On nous promet du HES N-1 en CP1... Mais qu'en sera-t-il vraiment en config HEMS ?


    Photo : Wikimedia http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bell_429_vl.jpg

    Quelqu'un a-t-il des infos sur ce nouvel appareil ?

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    Message  vanhoute le Jeu 26 Juin 2014 - 14:33

    hub_40 a écrit:3400 kg il y a pas photo avec les 2980 kg de l'EC135 T3...
    Sauf que pour bénéficier des 3400 kg, il faudrait une dérogation à Bell. Sinon, ce sera 3175 Kg max....
    Pour l'instant, seuls le Canada et l'Indonésie il me semble ont pour l'instant donné cette dérogation...
    Ce qu'il faudra voir, c'est la masse à vide avec le kit EMS installé...

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    Message  Foxxray le Jeu 26 Juin 2014 - 19:36

    hub_40 a écrit:3400 kg il y a pas photo avec les 2980 kg de l'EC135 T3...

    Les masses à vide n'ont rien à voir non plus...

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    Bell 249 HEMS helicopter selected by INAER France

    Message  copter le Mar 15 Juil 2014 - 6:37

    Bell Helicopter has cracked the French market for its Bell 429 helicopter, with INAER France signing a purchase agreement for the aircraft in Helicopter Emergency Medical Service (HEMS) configuration. The company announced the contract on 14 July.

    Bell Helicopter will deliver the aircraft equipped with a fully customised EMS interior and advanced avionics. INAER France, an Avincis Group operator, will operate the helicopter in support of medical rescue missions in the West region of France.

    Martin Whittaker, director of fleet and engineering, Avincis, said: ‘Medical missions are very demanding and require modern aircraft and the highest standards of safety. The Bell 429’s advanced technology and performance will allow us to provide safe and rapid transport to those most in need of care.’

    Patrick Moulay, managing director for Europe, Bell Helicopter, added: ‘We are thrilled to introduce the Bell 429 to France with long-time customer INAER. The Bell 429 is the most modern light-twin helicopter available and as customers have realised the full capabilities of this amazing aircraft, our installed base in Europe has grown to more than 40 Bell 429s. It continues to gain popularity with HEMS and parapublic operators across the region.’

    INAER France, which provides aerial surveillance assistance and parapublic mission operations, will take delivery of the Bell 429 later in 2014.

    Source: http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/rotorhub/bell-249-hems-helicopter-selected-inaer-france/

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    Re: Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  overlord le Mar 15 Juil 2014 - 8:56

    Foxxray a écrit:
    hub_40 a écrit:3400 kg il y a pas photo avec les 2980 kg de l'EC135 T3...

    Les masses à vide n'ont rien à voir non plus...
    Si si, justement !
    La masse à vide du 429, comparée à d'autre machines plus petites, comme le 109 ou le 135 est assez remarquable !

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    Message  vanhoute le Mar 15 Juil 2014 - 12:10

    Farnborough : Inaer achète son premier Bell 429

    http://www.journal-aviation.com/mobile/article.php?idr=1&id=27366


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    Message  Foxxray le Mar 15 Juil 2014 - 12:50

    overlord a écrit:
    Foxxray a écrit:
    hub_40 a écrit:3400 kg il y a pas photo avec les 2980 kg de l'EC135 T3...

    Les masses à vide n'ont rien à voir non plus...
    Si si, justement !
    La masse à vide du 429, comparée à d'autre machines plus petites, comme le 109 ou le 135 est assez remarquable !

    J'ai dû être mal informé par les personnes qui l'ont essayé alors. On m'a dit près de 500 kg de plus à vide sur le 429 comparé au 135, du coup avec la limitation à 3175 kg c'est pas top, à 3400 kg c'est beaucoup mieux effectivement surtout quand on compare la taille de la cabine à celle du 135 et encore plus à celle du 109.

    Quel est le prix d'un 429 ?

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    Re: Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  overlord le Mar 15 Juil 2014 - 18:46

    Foxxray a écrit:
    overlord a écrit:
    Foxxray a écrit:

    Les masses à vide n'ont rien à voir non plus...
    Si si, justement !
    La masse à vide du 429, comparée à d'autre machines plus petites, comme le 109 ou le 135 est assez remarquable !

    J'ai dû être mal informé par les personnes qui l'ont essayé alors. On m'a dit près de 500 kg de plus à vide sur le 429 comparé au 135, du coup avec la limitation à 3175 kg c'est pas top, à 3400 kg c'est beaucoup mieux effectivement surtout quand on compare la taille de la cabine à celle du 135 et encore plus à celle du 109.

    Quel est le prix d'un 429 ?
    Si tu le règle dollars, à peine plus qu'un 135 T2+, c'est dire et c'est bien là le problème..
    Ensuite, BELL va peut être faire des prix d'appelle ? il est donc réellement difficile de connaitre le prix d'achat basique, cela doit dépendre du nombre et de la tractation commerciale !

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    Re: Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  Foxxray le Mar 15 Juil 2014 - 19:54

    Oui tout à fait, c'est comme sur avion.

    Si la MTOW passe à 3400 kg, cet hélico a certainement un bel avenir même en France...

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    Message  overlord le Mar 15 Juil 2014 - 20:11

    Foxxray a écrit:Oui tout à fait, c'est comme sur avion.
    Si la MTOW passe à 3400 kg, cet hélico a certainement un bel avenir même en France...
    Franchement je ne vois pas cette limitation à 7000 livres durer éternellement car, même si les deux principaux constructeurs Européens font un travail de sape à ce sujet l'évidence la logique et surtout l’honnêteté finiront par l'emporter !
    En aparté il faut bien voir que l'EC 145 ne répond pas à la fameuse règle que l'on oppose au 429, c'est un peu l'arlésienne ou l'arroseur arrosé, le constructeur invoquant qu'il a été certifié avant cette règle !
    très beau coups de pied en touche !
    Mais comment expliquer que l'on ne tiendra pas compte du progrès technique des aéronefs, cela ne tient pas beaucoup la route...

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    Re: Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  copter le Ven 25 Juil 2014 - 21:09

    FLYING THE BELL 429
    Posted on July 24, 2014 by maxrotor Leave a comment
    A week at the Farnborough International Airshow is normally a whirlwind of crammed press conferences, sweltering media chalets, madly-written news stories and, to dull the pain a little bit, the odd glass of champagne at the end of the day.

    So it was a nice change of pace this year that I was tasked with collecting various video interviews from company executives and industry analysts throughout the week.

    But the highlight of the week was undoubtedly the chance to fly in the Bell 429 on one of the many demonstration flights Bell flew from Farnborough throughout the show.

    The company is steadily gaining a greater footprint in Europe and has experienced a 37% growth in commercial helicopter sales since 2012.

    The Bell 429 has been the poster child of this growth. While a Bell 429 configured for EMS missions was on static display alongside the 505, the 525 (both mock-ups), and the 407GX, it was a corporate-configured 429 the company chose for flight demonstrations during the show.

    Senior demonstration pilot Dave Salem is clearly a man happy in his work – as he coolly took us on a 20 minute flight west of the airfield, he casually chatted through the various features of the light twin helicopter.

    While many of the features are more or less obligatory for an advanced modern helicopter – the glass cockpit, modern avionics and flight controls being pretty ubiquitous nowadays – the 429 nevertheless has some interesting discriminators.



    The flight felt amazingly smooth – as I was fumbling with my video camera, we entered transitional lift and were away without the usual ‘shudder’ of flying out of a hover. While the 429 can seat seven passengers and one crew, the corporate configuration of the demonstration aircraft had seating for four in the back in what must be a very work-friendly environment.

    I was allowed to take the controls myself for ten minutes or so and the helicopter is also extremely responsive. While the autopilot can handle the majority of the workload, when you are hands-on flying you only need to move your fingers slightly to feel a response.

    As inexperienced as I am, I managed a few banking turns, which again felt smooth and easy (although I imagine Dave’s hands didn’t stray far from the controls).

    While Dave has clearly mastered the patter of an excellent salesman, he noted that since most of the people taken up in the 429 were pilots themselves, he has simply been able to give them the controls and let the aircraft sell itself.

    One aspect he did want to highlight was the eyes-out nature of operating the 429. The multifunction display includes a power situational indicator, which is the only gauge you need to monitor in-flight and ‘as long as you keep everything in the green’ you know that everything is fine.

    The aircraft also features a one-engine inoperable function, allowing crews to train for the loss of one engine.



    When Dave switched the one engine off, there was only a slight dip in engine noise and the aircraft maintained its altitude and heading. To further the point, Dave brought the aircraft into an out of ground effect hover and held it there while he showed me how the aircraft was coping with the additional stress.

    While there are clearly ample reserves of power, the pilot is still able to override the systems and over-torque the engines in the event of a life-critical situation.

    As well as helping demonstration pilots like Dave to showcase these performance benefits of the 429, the OEI function also has an obvious training utility.

    You can view videos of our flight at the links below but it is easy to see why the 429 is beginning to be widely embraced.

    Bell announced during Farnborough the signing of a purchase agreement with the Swedish National Police for seven 429s but, perhaps even more importantly, it also announced the sale of its first 429 in France, to INAER France, which will operate the aircraft on EMS mission in the west of the country.

    This week the company also announced the signing of an agreement for the first two 429s configured for HEMS operations in the Middle East.

    For a land-loving journalist, the demonstration flight was an excellent experience, although I was unable to apply my new-found skills to a flight simulator later that day!


    Article avec vidéos: http://quillorcapture.com/2014/07/24/flying-the-bell-429/

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    Re: Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  overlord le Ven 25 Juil 2014 - 21:35

    çà bouge sérieusement pour BELL !

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    Message  copter le Lun 11 Aoû 2014 - 20:35

    FAA WILL RE-EXAMINE ROTORCRAFT CERTIFICATION STANDARDS
    2014-08-08 14:43:07
    by Elan Head

    The United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has announced it will begin a formal process to review certification standards for normal and transport category rotorcraft.

    In a notice published in the Federal Register on July 31, 2014, the FAA said there is “substantial interest” in revising the applicability standards for Federal Aviation Regulations part 27 (normal category) and part 29 (transport category) rotorcraft. Based on comments received from industry, the FAA will proceed with “establishing the appropriate forums” to consider possible revisions to parts 27 and 29 before initiating a rulemaking action.

    The movement to revise parts 27 and 29 was sparked by Bell Helicopter’s 2012 petition to the FAA for a weight exemption for its Bell 429 — a twin-engine helicopter certified in 2009 as a normal category rotorcraft.

    Currently, part 27 limits normal category rotorcraft to a maximum weight of 7,000 pounds (3,175 kilograms) and a maximum passenger capacity of nine. Heavier and higher-capacity rotorcraft must be certified under part 29’s more stringent transport-category requirements.

    However, in early 2012, Bell announced that it had received approval from Transport Canada to increase the maximum gross weight of the Bell 429 from 7,000 pounds to 7,500 pounds. The exemption came after extensive flight testing and required the installation of additional safety-enhancing equipment, including a helicopter terrain awareness and warning system (HTAWS); a cockpit voice and flight data recorder; and a radar altimeter.

    At the time of Transport Canada’s approval, Bell suggested to Vertical that part 27’s 7,000-pound weight limit was “arbitrary.” The company said that the 429’s modern technology made it more compliant with part 29 than many legacy transport-category rotorcraft, and argued that the weight increase would actually increase the aircraft’s safety, by allowing operators to carry additional safety-enhancing equipment and fuel for instrument flight rules (IFR) operations.

    Since that initial approval, an additional 17 countries have granted Bell the 500-pound weight exemption for the 429. But the FAA shot down Bell’s petition for the exemption, finding no compelling safety reason for the exemption, and siding with commenters who argued that the exemption would provide a special favor to Bell at the expense of other manufacturers. (Bell has appealed the ruling.)

    Despite denying Bell’s request for an exemption, the FAA acknowledged that, “the evolution of parts 27 and 29 has not kept pace with technology and the capability of rotorcraft produced currently.” In February 2013, it published a notice requesting comments whether rotorcraft certification standards need to be changed to remain relevant, and, specifically, on whether part 27 and 29 applicability rules should be changed from weight- and passenger-based standards.

    In its latest Federal Register notice, the FAA reports that it received 48 comments in response to its request — from helicopter operators, industry associations, manufacturers, and others. “These comments indicated a substantial interest in favor of some form of revision or restructure of the rotorcraft design certification standards in parts 27 and 29 and expressed that the current regulatory scheme is outdated by technology and impedes the development of new rotorcraft models,” the notice states. Of the 48 comments received, only three were in favor of keeping the current weight- and passenger-based standards unchanged.

    Based on this feedback, the Rotorcraft Directorate will begin involving interested parties in a review of the standards. “Parties interested in this initiative may look forward to future public announcements on upcoming developments,” the FAA advises in the Federal Register. The agency said it will also reach out to its bilateral partners, including Transport Canada and the European Aviation Safety Agency, and invite their participation in the effort.

    Changes to parts 27 and 29 are unlikely to come swiftly, and Bell continues to press for a weight exemption for the 429 in the meantime. But the company told Vertical that it supports the FAA’s decision to review rotorcraft certification standards.

    “We applaud the FAA’s decision to move forward on modernizing part 27/29 and agree with their conclusion that regulations need to keep pace with changes in technology to continue to drive safety and improvements in the rotorcraft industry,” said Bob Hastings, Bell’s senior vice president, Communications and Government Affairs.

    Source: http://www.verticalmag.com/news/article/28415#.U-kpBXwaySO

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    Re: Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  overlord le Lun 11 Aoû 2014 - 20:57

    C'est inéluctable, mais les administrations n'aiment pas qu'on leur disent qu'elles ont deux ou trois métros de retard ni d'ailleurs le reconnaître publiquement et c'est aussi pour cela que cela n'ira pas vite
    Au final, l'EC 145 pourra peut être entrer dans l'une des deux nouvelles formules !

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    Message  copter le Ven 12 Sep 2014 - 16:58

    Un secours à 14,691ft en Suisse :


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    Re: Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  Foxxray le Ven 12 Sep 2014 - 19:14

    Pour info, Bell a exporté le premier 429 français fin août Wink
    Pour l'instant Inaer et Héli Sécurité sont les deux seules boites a en avoir commandé en France.

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    Message  overlord le Ven 12 Sep 2014 - 20:18

    Foxxray a écrit:Pour info, Bell a exporté le premier 429 français fin août Wink
    Pour l'instant Inaer et Héli Sécurité sont les deux seules boites a en avoir commandé en France.
    les premiers mécaniciens vont bientôt partir en formation au Texas, pour un mois !
    Viendra, aussi, les primo formateurs pilotes !

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    Message  copter le Mer 24 Sep 2014 - 18:47

    BELL DELIVERS VIP BELL 429 AT MONACO YACHT SHOW

    Bell Helicopter announced Heli-Securite has taken delivery of the first VIP Bell 429 in France. The aircraft will be on display at the Monaco Yacht Show on the Yacht Voyager in berth T40 from Sept. 24-27. Starting this month, the VIP Bell 429 will be used for corporate transport and charter throughout the French Riviera and French Alps.

    “We are extremely excited to begin operating the first VIP Bell 429 in the region,” said Dominique Romet, CEO of Heli-Securite. “The aircraft completely suits our mission needs with exceptional flight performance at high altitudes, and also provides us with spacious and luxurious club seating for our clients.”

    Heli-Securite is a leading helicopter charter company in France with convenient helicopter bases all over south France. The company provides charter flights and maintenance services to its clients.

    The sale of the Bell 429 was made by Bell Helicopter’s newly appointed French Independent Representative (IR), HeliDeal. The company provides leading helicopter charter, fire fighting and aerial services, along with technical and maintenance services.

    “Appointing HeliDeal as our new IR will expand our capabilities in France,” said Patrick Moulay, Bell Helicopter’s vice president of European sales. “In the past couple of years we’ve seen tremendous growth in Europe, and I know HeliDeal will play an important role in expanding our success in France even further.”

    “We are eager to represent the globally known Bell Helicopter brand in France,” said Jean-Francois Giron, President of Helideal. “We are especially excited about being able to offer a full lineup of modern helicopters featuring the latest in integrated glass cockpit technology.”

    Source: http://www.verticalmag.com/news/article/28818

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    Re: Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  Foxxray le Mer 24 Sep 2014 - 19:15

    Il s'agit du F-HPBH Wink

    http://www.aeroboek.nl/429/57199.HTM

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    Bell Helicopter and TRU Simulation + Training announce training center in Valencia, Spain

    Bell Helicopter and TRU Simulation + Training, both Textron Inc. companies, have announced a collaboration to open the first Bell Helicopter training center in Valencia, Spain. The companies are targeting the facility to be operational in the first quarter of 2016 with the Bell 429 as the initial training platform. The training will be conducted via a full flight simulator (FFS) which will be designed and produced by TRU Simulation + Training.

    “We began with the Bell 429 based on the continued interest in the product in the region,” said Eric Cardinali, executive vice president, Bell Helicopter’s Customer Support and Services organization. “Since 2011, the number of Bell 429s operating in the region has grown from two to nearly 50. This exponential growth means increased training demands requiring a regional solution.”

    The two companies will leverage the facility footprint of a third entity, Textron Aviation, by housing the new training center at the Textron Aviation Service Center in Valencia. The 89,000 sq. ft. (8.62 sq. meters) facility has 64,000 sq. ft. (5.94 sq. meters) of hangar space and a three-floor office layout. The facility also offers back shop capabilities for servicing Beechcraft, Citation and Hawker aircraft.  

    “The new training center leverages the resources of three great Textron brands – Bell Helicopter’s world-class training curriculum and resources, TRU Simulation + Training’s industry-leading simulation technology and Textron Aviation’s state-of-the-art service facility in Valencia,” continued Cardinali. “It also answers our customers’ requests for us to develop a regional training solution – sooner rather than later. This collaboration is just the beginning of our plans to bring in-region pilot and technical training to customers worldwide.”

    “We are pleased to partner once again with our sister company, Bell Helicopter, to address the need for additional footprint and furthering their capabilities in Europe,” said Brad Thress, senior vice president, Customer Service for Textron Aviation. “Adding the Bell Helicopter training center to our Valencia site complements our existing service offerings and serves as a platform for Textron to drive additional training opportunities.”

    The Bell 429 simulator is an FFS which will be certified to Level D FAA and EASA/JAA requirements. TRU Simulation + Training will employ its new ODYSSEY H FFS design, developed especially for the unique training requirements and needs of the helicopter pilot. The ODYSSEY H utilizes TRU Simulation + Training’s state-of-the-art, ultra high definition visual system with a 240 degree horizontal by 80 degree vertical field of view, and 41 megapixel total system resolution visual display. The ODYSSEY H also utilizes primary and secondary motion systems, and features a roll-on/roll-off capability, which allows the simulator to be reconfigurable for other helicopters.

    The simulator flight compartment is an exact replica of the Bell 429 cockpit, from forward of the pilot’s anti-torque pedals to aft of the pilot seats. All controls, panels, instruments, avionics, equipment and furnishings will be identical in appearance, feel, location and operation to those of the actual aircraft.  It will respond exactly like the aircraft in all flight conditions (day, night, VFR, IFR and NVG) as well as accurately simulate malfunctions and emergency procedures.

    “The ODYSSEY H provides the most realistic training platform available today for any rotary wing simulator, and will allow Bell 429 helicopter pilots to safely and cost-effectively hone their skills,” said Diane Giuliani, TRU Simulation + Training’s senior vice president and general manager of Training Centers and Services.

    The simulator will be built at TRU Simulation + Training’s facility in Tampa, Fla., and is expected to be fully operational in Q1 2016, to coincide with the opening of the training center in Valencia.

    The new center furthers the teamwork begun at Farnborough where Bell Helicopter and TRU Simulation + Training announced their collaboration on the full flight simulator on the Bell 525. It also furthers Bell Helicopter’s commitment to increase resources and regional support in Europe, starting with the announcement that its facility in Prague, Czech Republic would serve as its official customization, delivery and aftermarket service center for Europe.

    TRU Simulation + Training was formed in April out of three legacy companies – Mechtronix Inc. and OPINICUS Corporation that were acquired by Textron late last year, and a portion of the former AAI Logistics & Technical Services.

    Source: http://www.verticalmag.com/news/article/29072


    Bell Helicopter announces two firsts for Europe

    Bell Helicopter, a Textron Inc. company, has announced it has made the first Bell 429 Wheeled Landing Gear (WLG) sale in Europe. The aircraft will also be outfitted with the world’s first Bell 429 MAGnificent luxury cabin interior created by Italy-based Mecaer Aviation Group (MAG).

    “This is such an exciting day that really speaks to our growing global presence in Europe, and we are thrilled for our Swiss customers,” said Patrick Moulay, vice president of European sales. “The Bell 429WLG’s smooth and quiet ride combined with the elegant Mecaer VVIP interior ensures each passenger can enjoy this high performing aircraft in luxurious style.”

    Customers can customize the cabin interior of the Bell 429 MAGnificent to a variety of seating configurations, and choose from a wide range of Italian fabrics, colors and optional equipment. MAG’s specialty custom interior incorporates two proprietary products, a passive noise abatement system called SILENS, and an In-Flight Entertainment Enhanced Lounge (I-FEEL), that provides a fully customized interactive touch screen based entertainment, communication and flight information management system.

    “This aircraft reflects a significant milestone for MAG; this aircraft will not only be configured with our luxury interior, but also MAG’s wheeled landing gear system” said co-general manager of Mecaer Aviation Group, Armando Sassoli. “We know this will be the first of many throughout the world and we are very excited about our continued relationship with Bell Helicopter.”

    The 429WLG delivers exceptional performance with state-of-the-art single and dual pilot instrument flight rule capabilities. The additional flexibility of the retractable wheeled landing gear makes the Bell 429WLG ideal for both repositioning in limited spaces and situations that require ground taxi, such as positioning closer to fixed-base operators. A fully-integrated glass cockpit with two or three multi-function displays, dual digital autopilot and an integrated electronic data recorder help increase situation awareness and safety margins. The Bell 429 is the first helicopter certified through the MSG-3 process, resulting in reduced maintenance costs for operators.

    Source: http://www.verticalmag.com/news/article/29071

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    belll 429 Wiltshire AMBULANCE hélitech 2014

    Message  hgri le Mer 15 Oct 2014 - 17:37

    Aujourd'hui petite ballade à hellitech amsterdam, avec un 429 en static .


    Phare principalement utilisé pour la reconnaissance des zones de posées


    Pré équipement o2 ( standart anglais ici), avec son raccordement  bouteille (photo ci dessous)

    il y a de la place pour travailler



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    Re: Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  vanhoute le Mer 15 Oct 2014 - 17:43

    Merci pour ces photos détaillées !!! Cool


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    Re: Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  hgri le Mer 15 Oct 2014 - 18:28

    vanhoute a écrit:Merci pour ces photos détaillées !!! Cool

    De rien , le stand Bell et le Stand aerolitle furent super accueillants. et on répondu a toutes mes interrogations. ce ne fut pas le cas partout

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    Message  copter le Mer 15 Oct 2014 - 20:02

    Impressionnant et on se rend plus compte de l'aménagement.

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    Message  hgri le Jeu 16 Oct 2014 - 9:02

    copter a écrit:Impressionnant et on se rend plus compte de l'aménagement.
    Le 145 était juste en face et son aménagement ems au bout de l'allée. et bien il a pas tant de place que cela dans un 145.

    dans le 429, et pour l'avoir fait, un MCE est tout a fait possible sans être gêné par la auteur de plafond. dans le 145 cela risque de coincer un peu.
    ps le lucas a été installé après.

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    Re: Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  copter le Jeu 16 Oct 2014 - 9:21

    En résumé, le 429 est l'avenir du SMUH. Laughing

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    Re: Le Bell 429 une machine pleine de promesses ?

    Message  hgri le Jeu 16 Oct 2014 - 9:36

    copter a écrit:En résumé, le 429 est l'avenir du SMUH. Laughing
    peu êtres What a Face  ce qui est sur c 'est que l'orientation des constructeurs et aménageurs tend vers des machines de gabarit supérieur.
    si en plus le 429 bénéficie de la monté en part 29..... wait and see....

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